Tuesday, July 28, 2009

Re: [Geopriv] geo: URI: what about uncertainty?

Why can't these units be expressed in arc seconds. This is how the
uncertainity of celestial objects' orbits' are expressed. e.g. +/-
0.7"

2009/7/28 Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Thomson, Martin <Martin.Thomson@andrew.com> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>  >>> SI units are good.
>
>  >> ... Except that these would be quite hard to apply to the (latitude,
>  >> longitude) pairs as specified by the geo: URIs.
>
>  >> The location specification reading ``53 degrees latitude plus/minus
>  >> 1000 meters, ...'' seems rather unsound to me.  I'd expect the
>  >> deltas' dimensions to align with the corresponding axes' dimensions,
>  >> as per the CRS used.
>
> [...]
>
>  > You make a good point.  Maybe it would be best to leave the
>  > complexity out and we can discuss this in a separate draft.
>
>        No objections here, but I'm completely unfamiliar with the
>        ``draft process.''
>
>  > This would specify a new "uncertainty" URI parameter and its
>  > semantics.
>
>        I'd rather opt for a set of per-axis parameters.
>
>  > I support the idea of uncertainty and would be willing to help.
>
>  > On the point of metres uncertainty, that's how we do it.
>
>        How ``we'' is defined here?
>
>  > For one thing, that makes it more usable by people.
>
>        I don't think so.  One point is whether we're going to have a
>        single, or several (one per axis), uncertainty values.
>
>        If the latter way is choosen, how would one apply an uncertainty
>        specified in meters to a value in degrees (like a longitude)?
>
>        The former way is no better, as one, once again, cannot easily
>        reconstruct the area (or volume) within which the object is to
>        be most likely positioned.  At least, one'll have to transform
>        the projected space's (x', y', z') triplet to the Euclidean
>        space, make a sphere in that space, using the uncertainty as the
>        radius, and then transform this sphere back to the projected
>        space.  I didn't much research into these ``volume
>        tranformations'', but it seems overly complex to me.
>
>        ... Especially when compared to simply making an axes-aligned
>        ellipsoid in the selected projected space.
>
>        To put it simple, one's going to take a long way to simply draw
>        the object's likely position area with MapServer (or GRASS),
>        while with the per-axis, axis-aligned parameters it's simple and
>        straightforward.
>
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