Re: [Geopriv] WGLC: draft-ietf-geopriv-policy-25

Sorry to get this in so late.

In the discussion of dynamic/moving references, I think it may be good to emphasize that heading is true heading, rather than magnetic heading.

In 4.9.2.1, GML Sphere Template, there is a typo in the namespace declarations (gml is defined twice, gs is not).

In 4.9.5.1, GML Arc-Band Template, there is a copy/paste error: the closing tag is Ellipsoid rather than ArcBand.

In the example 5.1, there are comments lettering the points of a polygon, but the polygon is not illustrated in this document.

Marc B.

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Subject: Re: [Geopriv] WGLC: draft-ietf-geopriv-policy-25

I think it is ready to go. We have worked on this document far too long.

On Feb 24, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:

> Just a reminder to send your WGLC comments on this, even if your only comment is that the document is ready to go.
>
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 6:18 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>
>> This is a GEOPRIV Working Group Last Call for comments on
>> draft-ietf-geopriv-policy-25
>>
>> Please send your comments to the list by 27 February 2012. As always, please remember to send a note in if you've read the document and have no other comments other than "its ready to go" - we need those as much as we need "I found a problem."
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Re: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location-02

This is freaking mind-blowing.

On 29 March 2012 18:12, Richard L. Barnes <rbarnes@bbn.com> wrote:
> Dear GEOPRIV,
>
> This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
> draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location-02:
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location-02>
>
> Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.
>
> Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
> me".  You can also say "Doesn't look good to me", but it's more helpful to
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Re: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04

Looks good to me!

Carl

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Subject: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04

Dear GEOPRIV,

This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04:
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04>

Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.

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Re: [Geopriv] I-D Action: draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-03.txt

On 29 Mar 2012, at 23:07, <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Geographic Location/Privacy Working Group of the IETF.
>
> Title : Location Information Server (LIS) Discovery using IP address and Reverse DNS
> Author(s) : Martin Thomson
> Ray Bellis
> Filename : draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-03.txt
> Pages : 19
> Date : 2012-03-29
>
>

This rev:

1. unexpires the document
2. has Martin's new address
3. fixes a couple of xref issues

Ray

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[Geopriv] I-D Action: draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-03.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Geographic Location/Privacy Working Group of the IETF.

Title : Location Information Server (LIS) Discovery using IP address and Reverse DNS
Author(s) : Martin Thomson
Ray Bellis
Filename : draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-03.txt
Pages : 19
Date : 2012-03-29

The residential gateway is a device that has become an integral part
of home networking equipment. Discovering a Location Information
Server (LIS) is a necessary part of acquiring location information
for location-based services. However, discovering a LIS when a
residential gateway is present poses a configuration challenge,
requiring a method that is able to work around the obstacle presented
by the gateway.

This document describes a solution to this problem. The solution
provides alternative domain names as input to the LIS discovery
process based on the network addresses assigned to a Device.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-03.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-03.txt

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Re: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03

This document is ready to go!

> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Richard L. Barnes
> Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012 3:13 AM
> To: geopriv@ietf.org
> Subject: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03
>
> Dear GEOPRIV,
>
> This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
> draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03:
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03>
>
> Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.
>
> Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
> me". You can also say "Doesn't look good to me", but it's more helpful
> to say why!
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Re: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04

This document is ready to go!

> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Richard L. Barnes
> Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012 3:13 AM
> To: geopriv@ietf.org
> Subject: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04
>
> Dear GEOPRIV,
>
> This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
> draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04:
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04>
>
> Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.
>
> Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
> me". You can also say "Doesn't look good to me", but it's more helpful
> to say why!
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03

An underappreciated gem.

On 29 March 2012 18:12, Richard L. Barnes <rbarnes@bbn.com> wrote:
> Dear GEOPRIV,
>
> This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
> draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03:
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03>
>
> Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.
>
> Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
> me".  You can also say "Doesn't look good to me", but it's more helpful to
> say why!
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04

It's a masterpiece.

On 29 March 2012 18:12, Richard L. Barnes <rbarnes@bbn.com> wrote:
> Dear GEOPRIV,
>
> This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
> draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04:
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04>
>
> Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.
>
> Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
> me".  You can also say "Doesn't look good to me", but it's more helpful to
> say why!
>
> Thanks,
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[Geopriv] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-thomson-geopriv-uncertainty-07.txt

As promised.
..
A new version of I-D, draft-thomson-geopriv-uncertainty-07.txt has
been successfully submitted by Martin Thomson and posted to the IETF
repository.

Filename:        draft-thomson-geopriv-uncertainty
Revision:        07
Title:           Representation of Uncertainty and Confidence in PIDF-LO
Creation date:   2012-03-29
WG ID:           Individual Submission
Number of pages: 28

Abstract:
  The key concepts of uncertainty and confidence as they pertain to
  location information are defined.  Methods for the manipulation of
  location estimates that include uncertainty information are outlined.
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Re: [Geopriv] WGLC: draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-02

This is a call for further comments on
draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-02. (Thus on -03, to be issued
real soon now.) The only comments received during last call were from
the document authors. The chairs do not feel that these constitute a
sufficient basis for submitting this document to the IESG.

If you feel this document is important, please send comments to the list
no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.

Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
me". You can also say "Doesn't look good to me", but it's more helpful
to say why!

Thanks,
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The GEOPRIV Chairs

On 2/14/12 4:20 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
> This is a GEOPRIV Working Group Last Call for comments on
> draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery-02
>
> Please send your comments to the GEOPRIV list by 27 February 2012. As always, please remember to send a note in if you've read the document and have no other comments other than "its ready to go" - we need those as much as we need "I found a problem."
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[Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location-02

Dear GEOPRIV,

This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location-02:
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location-02>

Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.

Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
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to say why!

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[Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03

Dear GEOPRIV,

This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03:
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-local-civic-03>

Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.

Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
me". You can also say "Doesn't look good to me", but it's more helpful
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[Geopriv] WGLC on draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04

Dear GEOPRIV,

This is a Working Group Last Call for comments on
draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04:
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-04>

Please send comments to the list no later than Friday, 20 April 2012.

Remember that all comments are helpful, even if it's just "Looks good to
me". You can also say "Doesn't look good to me", but it's more helpful
to say why!

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Re: [Geopriv] Agenda swap

We are keeping our originally scheduled slot, Thursday at 17:40.

On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:

> Due to scheduling conflicts and the short length of our agenda, Richard and I intend to request to move GEOPRIV into the Friday 11:20-12:20 slot (replacing CODEC, which will not be meeting). If anyone has serious issues with this, let us know ASAP.
>
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Re: [Geopriv] Agenda swap

Did this happen?

-Marc-

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:45:14 -0400
To: GEOPRIV WG <geopriv@ietf.org>
Subject: [Geopriv] Agenda swap

>Due to scheduling conflicts and the short length of our agenda, Richard
>and I intend to request to move GEOPRIV into the Friday 11:20-12:20 slot
>(replacing CODEC, which will not be meeting). If anyone has serious
>issues with this, let us know ASAP.
>
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[Geopriv] Fwd: Developer Feedback results

From the W3C Geolocation API mailing list, some interesting data about location privacy preferences.

Begin forwarded message:

Resent-From: public-geolocation@w3.org

From: "Cheng, Diana, Vodafone Group" <Diana.Cheng@vodafone.com>

Subject: Developer Feedback results

Date: March 22, 2012 11:09:37 AM EDT

To: "public-geolocation@w3.org" <public-geolocation@w3.org>

Hello there,

 

As part of the work for the Geolocation specification, I put out a developer and user survey through the Vodafone Developer platform with the aim of gathering some feedback for the WG.  It took a while unfortunately until we were able to make the results public and individual comments and statements had needed to be removed due to internal policies, but the main results are shared in this blog post: http://developer.vodafone.com/blog/2012/03/22/geolocation-api-survey-results/

 

This was discussed at our last F2F at the beginning of March in London. Hopefully, this kind of feedback has been useful for the working group and will be for other specifications going forward.

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

Diana Cheng Web & Social Media Expert Internet Standards, Group R&D Vodafone Group Services GmbH Mobile: +491735374317 Email: diana.cheng@vodafone.com
Vodafone Group Services GmbH, Mannesmannufer 2, D-40213 Düsseldorf Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 53554 Geschäftsführung: Dr. Joachim Peters, Rainer Wallek vodafone.com

 

[Geopriv] Last Call: (Geolocation Policy: A Document Format for Expressing Privacy Preferences for Location Information) to Proposed Standard

The IESG has received a request from the Geographic Location/Privacy WG
(geopriv) to consider the following document:
- 'Geolocation Policy: A Document Format for Expressing Privacy
Preferences for Location Information'
<draft-ietf-geopriv-policy-25.txt> as a Proposed Standard

This last call focuses on the changes related to location obfuscation (fuzzing)
resulting from additional working group attention resulting from a prior IESG review.
Please focus the review on the difference between versions -21 and -25 of this draft.

Version -21 of this document was IETF LCed in Jun 2010. Subsequent
IESG review identified an issue with location obfuscation that required
additional working group attention.

Version -11 of this document was IETF LCed in Feb 2007 - subsequent
IESG review identified several issues. The resulting working group
discussion resulted in significant changes to the document.

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-04-03. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract

This document defines an authorization policy language for
controlling access to location information. It extends the Common
Policy authorization framework to provide location-specific access
control. More specifically, this document defines condition elements
specific to location information in order to restrict access based on
the current location of the Target.

Furthermore, this document defines two algorithms for reducing the
granularity of returned location information. The first algorithm is
defined for usage with civic location information while the other one
applies to geodetic location information. Both algorithms come with
limitations, i.e. they provide location obfuscation under certain
conditions and may therefore not be appropriate for all application
domains.

The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-geopriv-policy/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-geopriv-policy/ballot/

No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.

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[Geopriv] Agenda swap

Due to scheduling conflicts and the short length of our agenda, Richard and I intend to request to move GEOPRIV into the Friday 11:20-12:20 slot (replacing CODEC, which will not be meeting). If anyone has serious issues with this, let us know ASAP.

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[Geopriv] Draft IETF 83 agenda

Here is a draft agenda for GEOPRIV at IETF 83. You can see there isn't much there. Please send comments to the list this week if you have any.

5m Intro & administrivia (chairs)
20m draft-bellis-geopriv-flow-identity (Ray)
20m Future of GEOPRIV (chairs)
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[Geopriv] I-D Action: draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-14.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Geographic Location/Privacy Working Group of the IETF.

Title : Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) IPv4 and IPv6 Option for a Location Uniform Resource Identifier (URI)
Author(s) : James Polk
Filename : draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-14.txt
Pages : 13
Date : 2012-03-12

This document creates a Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP)
Option for transmitting a client's geolocation Uniform Resource
Identifier (URI). This Location URI can then be dereferenced in a
separate transaction by the client or sent to another entity and
dereferenced to learn physically where the client is located.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-14.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-14.txt

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[Geopriv] I-D Action: draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-13.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Geographic Location/Privacy Working Group of the IETF.

Title : Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) IPv4 and IPv6 Option for a Location Uniform Resource Identifier (URI)
Author(s) : James Polk
Filename : draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-13.txt
Pages : 13
Date : 2012-03-10

This document creates a Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP)
Option for transmitting a client's geolocation Uniform Resource
Identifier (URI). This Location URI can then be dereferenced in a
separate transaction by the client or sent to another entity and
dereferenced to learn physically where the client is located.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-13.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-13.txt

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Re: [Geopriv] New Version Notification for draft-bellis-geopriv-flow-identity-00.txt

This is pretty good. The only addition that I would make is to ensure
that the next great network or transport protocol gets a chance at
working here. Extension points for layer3 and layer4 are probably a
good idea. Fortunately, UPA isn't a problem, so you can make the
simple type a union of what you have and xs:token (or some restriction
thereof in order to restrict the valid set of characters to something
sensible).

I do think that your justification could be made clearer. You wish to
identify a host on the remote side of a NAT by identifying a flow that
you know that host is participating in. We all got this one wrong.

--Martin

On 29 February 2012 08:45, Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk> wrote:
> It's only the complete 6-tuple that uniquely identifies the flow, and hence
> the internal target behind that NAT.
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